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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 25, 2008 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I dont understand why wait til 2005 to take off the soundboards?..

You can stream the 6/25/78, just hit the VBR_M3U link under "Stream (help)" in the upper left of the show page. Sometimes when you pull up a show, you don't get the main streamable box, but you can always use the VBR link.

As for the DWNLD issue, the financially motivated folks within the Dead decided that too many folks were getting their hands on high quality SBDs of shows they might want to release commercially, as well as shows they already had. I respect their decision, maybe not like it, but it's their perogitive. Want shows that are no longer available here? I think you'll find folks willing to lend a hand the old fashioned way (snail mail). Enjoy the music.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2008-08-25 14:48:10

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Poster: noodlejam Date: Aug 25, 2008 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I dont understand why wait til 2005 to take off the soundboards?..

SDH,
I'm fairly new here, and am also confounded about the rules regarding sbds.
You wrote: "As for the DWNLD issue, the financially motivated folks within the Dead decided that too many folks were getting their hands on high quality SBDs of shows they might want to release commercially ...."

My question is why/how the Dead can somehow limit the trading or downloading of shows that were already in the public domain. My understanding is that the band allowed tapers to patch into the soundboard for many years (hence sbd vs. aud shows). So long as third parties weren't profiting (e.g., all those "foreign" sbd CDs from the 90s), the Dead always gave tapers and traders carte blanche immunity to share.

I'm not trying to upend the norms of this community, but I'm curious about how the decision to limit music was made, and what real legal rights the Dead have to music they purportedly already gave to the public. Any thoughts or insights will be greatly appreciated.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 26, 2008 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I dont understand why wait til 2005 to take off the soundboards?..

This NY Times article covers the "withdrawl" fairly well:

The Dead's Gamble: Free Music for Sale

By JON PARELES
Published: December 3, 2005
The Dead did a quick turnabout - call it a half-step uptown toodleloo - this week. First, band representatives told the Live Music Archive, at www.archive.org, which includes countless jam-band concerts in its repository of freely downloadable music, to stop making available its trove of live Grateful Dead recordings, which have been free online for years. Grateful Dead Merchandising (www.gdstore.com) now sells downloads of the band's own concert recordings, and didn't want free competition.

Fans were so furious that within days, the band was forced to relent partway. Now recordings made by audience members are back on the archive, available for download. The Dead's pristine soundboard recordings, with minimal crowd noise, are no longer available for quick downloading, but can be played as streams (and recorded in real time). It's not a complete reversal, but all the music is online again. Now, however, the Dead are going to find out how difficult half measures can be.

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The Dead's easygoing attitude toward concert recordings had been a bulwark of its legend. At concerts, there was always an authorized "tapers' section" - a mini-forest of high-quality microphones on long poles - and the band never tried to stop fans from trading the recordings, as long as they weren't sold. The traders' network upgraded through the years from cassettes by mail to digital downloads.

Doubtless there were some cottage-industry sellers of Dead concerts. But on the whole, fans respected a simple ethic: Enjoy, don't profiteer. With no restrictions imposed, fans took it upon themselves to do the right thing. The more committed ones went beyond passive listening to active, time-consuming archiving, editing and processing of the music they cherished: making, for instance, so-called matrix recordings that synched the clean soundboard signal with a touch of audience recording for a more realistic ambience. And it all existed, like so much of the Dead's example and legacy, outside the structures of the recording business.

As in so many other ways, the Grateful Dead set an example for jam bands (and other do-it-yourself types), who found that concert recordings were a great way to build word of mouth. Sites like archive.org sprang up; there's also a Napster-like peer-to-peer interface, the Furthur Network (www.furthur.net, named after the destination sign on the Merry Pranksters' bus, which the Dead once rode). It swaps recordings from an approved list of performers, including the Dead, the Dave Matthews Band and Sigur Ros.

For the Grateful Dead, and the many bands that emulated them, there was logic to the whole libertarian enterprise, as well as to the old hippie spirit. Each improvisational concert was different, and thus worth collecting. The best ones would convince new fans that they had to see the next concert, and the next. The band not only was handsomely paid in the first place for shows that routinely sold out arenas, but also kept its own recordings should it ever want to issue them. (It has done so, in 36 volumes of multiple-CD collections called "Dick's Picks.")

There was also something far less tangible and pragmatic, but no less essential: a generous suggestion that once the music was in the air, it belonged as much to listeners as to the band. The concert recordings were like memories, to be shared and savored, rather than products. On his Web site (www.phillesh.net), the Dead's bassist, Phil Lesh, writes about using archive.org to hear old concerts while writing his autobiography. Even if a Deadhead was not downloading dozens of concerts, the boundless opportunity to do so meant something. There was a bond of trust between the band and its fans - one that is now strained.

The Dead are thus the latest victims of the notion that digital copying is qualitatively different from every recording technology since the invention of music notation. Yes, digital copying is fast; it's exact; it's easy. For a recording business that has realized far too late that it is selling music, not discs, digital copying has destroyed the old monopoly on pressing and distribution.

Digital downloads can also provide numbers for accountants to tabulate and for statistics-mongers to misinterpret. (Just because 10,000 people download a concert doesn't mean 10,000 people would pay for it.) Oddly enough, the numbers also seem to encourage visions of wringing every statutory nickel out of every recording ever made. In conformity to copyright law that was designed for sheet music and discs rather than the Web, visions persist of the Internet not as a cornucopia, but as a pay-per-play jukebox. The Deadheads' old trading network had looked back to an earlier model: music as folklore.

Suddenly, after all these amicable and profitable years, Dead representatives are talking about "rights" to those concert recordings. It's lawyer talk, record-business talk, and entirely valid on those terms; the Dead do hold copyrights and are entitled to authorize or withhold permission to copy their work. (So, incidentally, are those who own the copyrights to Dead concert staples like Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away." )

Enforcing that permission on the Internet is another matter. Digital-rights management by technical means is iffy at best: widely circumvented by professional pirates and problematic for consumers trying, for instance, to transfer songs from their CD's to an iPod. Sony BMG Music, trying to limit copying of CD's, included software that created security hazards in its paying customers' computers and is now recalling some four million CD's and facing lawsuits. The next Windows operating system may place anticopying mechanisms beyond users' control.

The Dead's problem is more temporal than technical. Grateful Dead recordings, including soundboard recordings, have been circulating since the inception of the Internet and are not going to disappear by fiat.

The Dead had created an anarchy of trust, going not by statute but by instinct and turning fans into co-conspirators, spreading their music and buying tickets, T-shirts and official CD's to show their loyalty. The new approach, giving fans some but not all of what they had until last week, changes that relationship.

No doubt it will sell some additional concert downloads in the short run. But by imposing restrictions, it will also encourage jam-band fans - a particularly Internet-savvy demographic - to circumvent those restrictions, finding the soundboard recordings through unofficial channels. The change also downgrades fans into the customers they were all along. It removes what could crassly be called brand value from the Dead's legacy by reducing them to one more band with products to sell.

Will the logic of copyright law be more profitable, in the end, than the logic of sharing? That's the Dead's latest improvisational experiment.

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Poster: Grateful_Deadhead Date: Aug 25, 2008 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I dont understand why wait til 2005 to take off the soundboards?..

yeah i get the m3u stuff....unfortunately i am running internet through my palm treo and using it as a modem...fairly fast actually...i download around 100k upload round 25....

i would totally pay for some someone to send me copies of some of these soundboards....oh what i would do...but that would take away from the whole keeping it free idea huh..i would though..

i understand why they did it but i think they should just take em down before the release them, and leave the ones that arent....didnt it start about spreading the magic of their music?

if anyone wants to email me its vw.grateful.deadhead@gmail.com

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Aug 25, 2008 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I dont understand why wait til 2005 to take off the soundboards?..

Dude they only removed the downloads from the Live Music Archive. The material is still traded freely through bittorrents and vines throughout the trading community. The band has not put any restrictions on this activity. Go find it, enjoy it and share it.